Bush‘ frontman, Gavin Rossdale, was on a recent episode of the ‘Amy & T.J.‘ podcast, and he talked at length about his failed marriage to Gwen Stefani.

The two rock stars share three kids together (17, 15, 10) and were married for 13 years before calling it quits in 2015 amid rumors he cheated on her with their nanny.

During the podcast, Rossdale admitted their divorce was “contentious” and “debilitating.”

Of course, he probably also said less because he was the one caught cheating… ALLEGEDLY! We’re not sure if that’s been confirmed or not.

In any event, he admitted the divorce was especially tough because he didn’t want his kids to experience what he did as a kid. His parents divorced and went on to have multiple other marriages.

The way he talked on the podcast seemed to make it clear he and Gwen don’t talk all that much. Maybe one day they can figure it all out, but in the meantime, they’re busy building new relationships. Gwen is married to country superstar Blake Shelton, and Rossdale just went Instagram official with his new boo, Xhoana.

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